And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. But we had a two-week crisis in our life, after Monty was born, in terms of the emotional impact of it, it was far greater because we felt we were going to lose him not long after he was born. Its a prison and a system thats designed to get prisoners re-engaging with society again and to prepare for release. Responsibility for the monitoring, control and mitigation of Conduct Risk for the Group. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . Former spin doctor Andy Coulson appears in court alongside Rebekah Brooks and three others charged over corrupt payments to officials. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. That was very clear, I think. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Jane: Hard not to be, though, I would have thought. And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. We are all hard workers. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. [48], However, the Crown Prosecution Service said in December 2010 that it had determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge Coulson over allegations that he was aware of phone-hacking at the publication. Jane: So, when you talk to other people you intro it with crisis stories worth sharing. I was really concerned. And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. I mean, you've probably faced a few challenges in your life but an eight-month trial at the Old Bailey, followed by prison, is obviously another league. And that was, youve got to accept where you are. And in prison, as I mentioned, there was that book ban and I could not have been more delighted on the day that I finally got into the library at Belmarsh. No one knew that at that stage. I dont need you take my advice but I do need you to listen to my advice. What I was reading, I disagreed with. That was very difficult. Jane: You were acquitted. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. Discover Andy Coulson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . Jane: So, you have to sit there on your own. Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. Andy: Well, losing people, like we all have. I was all over it. [49], The Guardian reported on 7 July 2011 that Coulson was to be arrested the following day, along with a senior journalist whom the paper refused to name. [62], Coulson was charged with having committed perjury during the trial in 2010 of Tommy and Gail Sheridan. I ran it as a campaign in my head and I had charts on the wall, at one stage the house was literally full of files. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. Coulson, who now runs a successful strategy business, talks candidly and honestly about his regrets, resilience and recovery. Andy: Well I just think for anyone, him or anyone, me included, trying to live life through the rear-view mirror is an utterly pointless exercise, so I dont know. There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. I can tell you that Belmarsh is not a holiday camp by any measure. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. In fact, there was a feeling that I may never get out until those trials were over. The judge added that it was for him, and not the jury, to decide on this aspect of the case and that the Crown's legal submissions had failed to satisfy him that Coulson's evidence had been sufficiently relevant to the Sheridan trial. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. [51] He was questioned under caution, and later that day released on police bail until October, but made no comment on his release. Because then you know actually, its not just a matter of getting through this, Im into it all over again. [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. And I thought, this is just hopeless, Im his Director of Communications and Im learning things in the paper. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. Coulson, 46, who also worked as director of . Im with a bunch of other people who are in the same situation as me and Ive just got to make the best of it really. Which it was. Theres a door that youre going to go through. permanent tsb. So, I got a lot of that. I felt it was a bit on the steep side but it was within the parameters, so its up to the judge, the sentencing in technical terms. Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren has never been shy about sharing his opinion on social media. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did I end up here? Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to top secret material. All the old clichs are clichs for a reason and that kind of what doesnt kill you makes you stronger I think is true from the individual point of view, but I think it is also true from a family point of view. So I changed my mind. Jane: Well that was sort of going to be my next question, because undoubtedly your role at Downing Street heightened the interest in your trial. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. And there was a bit of joshing as well, particularly with prison officers when I would kind of complain about the process or I would ask the question, Why am I still here when I think I should have been categorised by now? and Id get a wry look that says, Well Tory cuts, Andy.' The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. And we had a lot of fun, is the truth of it. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. And I took the view that this is what it is and it is just another place, a pretty unpleasant one, but its just another place. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. Ask away. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. But thats the really easy answer to give, isnt it? [25], Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. Therefore, the search process before you come in for a visit, as a visitor, is pretty unpleasant. And suddenly youre sat in one of them. Jane: Because it had been quite a high-profile trial. And I managed to get there. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. Andy: They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. The purpose of the company is not recorded by Companies House, but is reportedly a public relations agency. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP. And that is not a good moment. [37], In January 2016 Coulson launched a new corporate PR agency offering communications strategy services in partnership with Henry Chappell, Coulson Chappell. They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. Gregg was born April 2, 1962, in Boston, Massachusetts, the son of Mary Layne (ne Shine) and Robert Clark Gregg Sr., an Episcopal priest and Stanford University professor. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? There have been the odd conversations. In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. [23], In 2008 an employment tribunal upheld a claim of bullying by Coulson whilst he was at the News of The World. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. As every step forward you take, again without trying to get too poetic about it, that rucksack, which is how I see it, its a rucksack with a bunch of rocks in it and every six months or so it gets significantly lighter. Nobody there wanted me to go. Eloise and the boys have to take the gold medal, if you like, for getting me through but there are a whole load who get the silver medal and Im very grateful for it. Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? Coulson replaced Rebekah Wade as editor in 2003. And funnily enough, the governor, or the duty governor, pulled me out of the cell one night to ask me whether or not I was OK because he had read the report. Weve made a lot of cups of tea for journalists standing on the end of our drive over the years, quite happily. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. Andy: Yeah, definitely. That Id go from one to the other in custody, if you like. And share he has about Colton Underwood from the world of The Bachelor. Andy: Well, we did talk about it and wed already talked about it. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. And I made mistakes in my personal life as well, and so Ive never at any point felt why me? about it because thats just not how I feel. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. But that didnt happen and we stayed together and yes, the simple answer to that question, are we stronger as a result? Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. There were a few of those who ran away from the gunfire. Dublin. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. What was the apex of your crisis, do you think? It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. Andys been upfront about that aspect of his CV during this podcast series and, indeed, has talked openly with his former prison mate, the England cricketer Chris Lewis, but hes never discussed his own crisis in any depth, until now. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson has been released from prison after serving nearly five months in jail for conspiracy to hack phones. So thats why were doing this. Jane: OK, and finally you asked this of all your guests, the three crisis cures, if you like, and you know the rules; it cant be a person. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. Jane: Well, talking of which, as a journalist, we also know the picture that everybody wants is of somebody in the prison van being taken away. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. I often read people saying that it doesnt really matter. Revelation: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson (left, in September 2004) were having a secret affair for at least six years, the Old Bailey heard. I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. Thats all nonsense. [28], Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. Andy Coulson arrives at the Old Bailey on July 4, 2014 in London, England. That never happened to me. [15] Other defendants were cleared. Simple as that, and theres a lot of that that goes on. You take some advice. Andy: Yeah, I have occasional grey days. Then before you know it, because my sentencing was first in the order of the day, if you like, in the Old Bailey, I was then sat in that cell and was there for quite a while because they keep you there until the end of play and then everyone gets put on the bus and ferried off. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. Its amazing. One of the principles of prison is that everyone has to be on the same level. And although I stand by the position I took in court, in regard to the allegations that I ended up being found guilty of, my view is still that I didnt break the law. What happened, happened. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. Were going to put you to work. You benefit from undiluted, unambiguous one-to-one advice, game changing campaigns and crisis guidance from p Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. Andy: Dangers of drug smuggling and all manner of other suggested uses for books. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. Andy: Their choice really. In the second extract from his new book Hack Attack, Nick Davies. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. So I rang him and we had a conversation and that led me to say: Look, youve got plenty of friends in your life, you dont need any more friends, thats not what this is about, but if this is going to work we do need to be straight with each other with what you are trying to do here. To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. He attended high school in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where his father was a professor at nearby Duke University. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. Andy: Well, I think because of the podcast series. And that was corrosive. - Delivered a Conduct-focused approach and embedded cultural change focused on . Andy: Well it came very suddenly. And I think that is a clear lesson, that the what if is as pointless as the why me?. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. I remember reading, after I came out, that I had been released after just five months on good behaviour. Andy: Oh yeah, without any shadow of a doubt and thats thanks to her, not me. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? I wont ever be at peace with it, I suspect in one sense, because it hurts. I saw him in January. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? [1] They have three children. [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. And, of course, we became friends because we worked together a long time and David and his family went through, as everyone remembers, some truly appalling times during the period. As a result we spent inordinate amounts of time just sat behind a door. I just think people deal with things in different ways. Andy: Well sometimes literally all day. Actually, in the conversation with Chris Lewis we were discussing this. So, until you are there for, as it turned out for me, a couple of weeks, a bit longer actually, youve got to wear this kind of corned-beef-coloured tracksuit, which is utterly charming. Ex-spin doctor Andy Coulson found guilty of conspiracy to hack phones Phone hacking took place while he was the editor of the News of the World Police identified 4,000 possible victims of phone. In an interview with the Press Gazette in 2005, he said that "Tabloid newspapers in this country do more for its people than any other newspapers in the world". During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. Jane: So how did you avoid that photograph? I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. Andy Coulson, the former newspaper editor and Downing Street spokesperson jailed on phone hacking charges, revealed that he has built a new career as a crisis strategy consultant - and "business. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. 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