The Savior is the greatest clapper of all, and we believe He wants us to learn to cheer others on. We have a theology of that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Why did you not Why'd you stop doing that? And so when it comes again, you'll recognize it. Yeah, yes, I do know. So I don't want someone to dismiss like the simplicity of or because it sounds cliche, but it's like, you actually have to train your mind to notice what you want it to notice, you know, and, and if anyone needs evidence of this, go buy a car, right. Like that's not God's voice. Dave is a dad, a teacher, an author, and a co-host of the popular YouTube channel, Dont Miss This, where he encourages his listeners to better understand the scriptures. That's a chapter where people meet Jesus for the very first time, some of them and I love their first interactions with him. Yeah. you know, or people just trying to get nice, because, you know, but then I was like, actually, I'm just gonna let people be nice. And then to say it. I watched those two boys of mine walk out of that patriarch's house, not even touching the ground. In fact, we receive more when we give more, which is what Dave calls "God's business model.". I love that. "A friend was over the other night one of those friends that knows the code to the front door, my favorite kind. When we see others the way God sees them, we'll be eager to encourage and cheer for their accomplishments, Celebrating others does not take away from our own accomplishments. And kind of try and push aside the scarcity. I feel like most of my relationships with people are that kind. You need someone to be your wing man to point out your blind spots. And he told them, This is what I see in you. I love Flynn Rider. Let's gather them together. Yeah, all throughout it all throughout it like if he if he gives time to someone there's this scene when he is stopped with that woman who's on the roadside and and she's hiding off to the side and she reaches out and grabs just the the tassels on his robe and he stops and, and as a conversation with her the very first word he says to her is daughter, daughter. And not just like, yeah, it is burger and hot dog barbecue. I think probably because I distance myself a little bit from people who were complainers or fault-finding people. Yeah, there was kind of a comment on that post from one of your followers. Do you look for people or notice people? He's from Nazareth, and how could anything good come from there? We need more of this happening. It's like the iconic barbecue food. I just that idea of a legacy of encouragement. My two older boys just barely got their patriarchal blessings, not two weeks apart from each other. And let's do it. That's coming together. No, I love my hometown. Right? That feels like that would be the order of things, right? Yeah. I think the things that your mom said to you throughout all those years will come back to your mind,]. And I would like to live a life like that, where the words I speak to you, if I were to text them out to you, you would not be able to differentiate whether God said it, or whether David Butler said it. In what happens there in that story? I sat there and I listened to God encouraging them, and seeing their heart like he's still doing it. You know, I see the problem. When I read how he speaks to people in Scripture, it helps me recognize him more clearly, today, you know? Dave is a dad, a teacher and author and a co host of the popular YouTube channel, "Don't Miss This," where he encourages his listeners to better understand the Scriptures. It's what I call the upside down kingdom, like everything is upside down about it, where you're just like, it should function this way. If you really were God's Son, would he leave you without? There's no, there's no way. I don't need you to be worse than me, I can encourage you because I actually believe I'm already adored and loved by God, no matter what. This is the way most people function and it's like, but not in my kingdom. And his economy is different. Right? Today's conversation is inspired by an Instagram post from David Butler. They were floating out of that place because of what had been said to them. But on day one gives him a nickname. Yeah, right. Yeah. But don't let the simplicity of it keep you from from the practice, you know, where you're just say, can't make that big a difference. Right, right. And don't forget to follow us on Instagram at magnify community. This is whatever that is, but I love thinking of being a clapper as both an encourager and also as someone who is recognizing and acknowledging the good, you know? And you know what? And you're actually that doesn't make any sense. So every week, there is a recentering on what the story actually is, who God actually believes that you are. In fact, the most recent words that Jesus has heard at this point in the story is when he was standing in the River Jordan, and God says, This is my son. And Jesus comes in and says, You've got such a good heart and everybody, everyone that he picks is a clapping in and of itself, Matthew, He chooses him to be in his inner circle. One of the best parts of a marathon or race is what happens on the sidelines. I could be the you know, the advice giver. When you give that actually multiplies in return, and it's true. Can you tell me a little bit more about that? Why should that not be default? And he's just like that, that took him off guard. So good. And isn't that interesting that it's like, oh, when they speak, you actually won't be able to differentiate, whether it's the Godhead speaking, or an angel speaking. Nobody would have expected him to pick Matthew for that. And so she practiced and practiced and practiced and then would mess up and play with one hand and cry and leave. And so to sit there and hear God encourage these two boys. Now stand up and be the solution. Yeah. I claim him, I know him, I love him, and I'm so proud of him. She said in a particularly sad moment, a moment when she needed others she prayed God, can you please send me a clapper? I don't know. Yeah, but because I feel like I need to love them. That's like grilling, but like barbecue. And I think that's something that Jesus was so obviously, so perfect at and so willing to express and I think, how many compliments do I give based on you know, the superficial instead of on the heart? We could all use more "clappers" in our livespeople who encourage us in the big moments and the small; someone who tells us to keep going, that we're doing great, and that we are loved and supported. All day long. No one to listen or love or lean into. It's like, it doesn't make sense. And you would say, you know? If you do good, it's a good first layer for everybody. And is there a time in the scriptures or a story that stands out to you where Jesus was a clapper? And if the voice is I can't believe you did that. Yeah, I mean, I love that because I think so often, we live in a scarcity mindset, right? Well, and if that's one of the ways that he claps for us is through adoration and acceptance and love. And let's see if this plays out. I'll tell you what happens when I do it. And it just reminds you that when she walked in the door, she didn't come in mopey. I know that voice, the same one I heard on the on the other end of the phone, on some of my harder days, like, that's been the consistent voice." Yeah, right. But I have said before I'm not enough. I know, when we were like, at home church during COVID. You know, there's something about living loved that is cyclical, it encourages that. It's interesting that as you read that, I remember the phrase, I want to be a clapper that I posted about, but I forgotten actually until just right now that that is why I wrote that, you know that it was that conversation that kind of spurred that on. For that voice from God. And two in particular, standout to me. Yeah, and I don't think we could ever give enough compliments to our youth. It's not the default for me for some reason, or it's not the normal status quo of the culture and world I live in. No, that's so good. Right? I've heard that voice before. I love that. And so some genius said these kids need to be reminded way more often. And interestingly, right before they meet, Nathaniel actually says his friend, Philip about Jesus. And of course, subscribe and listen to the Magnify podcast wherever you get your shows. That means that like, oh, I someone's doing it for me. Like we're gonna we're gonna clap at home church. Can we clap and cheer and support? Yeah, right. Yes. I was like, we clap. So what do you do for that? I was like, Why aren't more people encouraging? I've done my job if the kids leave this house, and can lead the rest of their lives knowing they can always listen for that voice from me. And what do you think it means to be a clapper? I just love that they Yeah, and listen, I want the film anytime someone has Peter walking on water. And I think Jesus gives the advice there, which is so interesting. And I don't know if it will happen accidentally. And we all need clappers maybe in unexpected places. And it says, This is what you're worth, to me, this is how valuable I think you are, this is how far I would be willing to go for someone like you. Right? He is a big fan of people. And it's like, okay, then what would God say in this particular situation? Hes a big fan of people! Someone to celebrate with me, encourage me, someone who can just cheer me on. But if God says you are now all of a sudden, I'm out of the scarcity mentality. And so I yeah, I can't even remember your question is I'm just kind of going on reliving the experience. Or if you're good, it means I'm not, you know? It's like he's looking right into who they are. Both those boys, he sat them down. Right? It should be give this away. And if you want to do the percentages next to each other, you're probably going to lose every time because of the voices that they're hearing. And I just remember a time when I was 16. But I think I just kind of have most people that I have a relationship with, we kind of have just a symbiotic like encouraging relationship. This is what I see that I think you're winning at. I mean, it's fascinating to me that when Jesus is in the wilderness, that the adversary is having him question his identity. He's a thief and like this I shouldn't admit this but like one of my like, I would love to be an art thief. Right? The idea of it? And I would just like to say that you and I live in a in a desert have that kind of language and that kind of talk. Before we dive in, can I have a few rapid fire questions for you so we can get to know you a little bit better? And so I still need that. He sees him in the in the very first meeting, he's just like, I'm actually going to call you Peter from now on, which means the rock. And I think the evidence is overwhelming that you would see what's good. I'm in the red on that one. That scene to me is like we're missing some dialogue in that scene. Yeah, they all need a clapper. Dave, we've talked about so many little takeaways, and there's so many thoughts running through my mind. And not only like encourager, but also someone who, and you can't always be this to people, who will help facilitate whatever circumstances are needed for that to happen. It's a reenactment of the crucifixion. That's so good. So simply in Scripture. And I'm like, it takes longer than out of high school for for someone to really realize who they are. Yeah, maybe so. Like, wow, how do you know what? All the good people who show up at the crack of dawn to clap and shout encouragement as runners pass by. There are so many examples in scriptures of where Jesus Christ is encouraging, and celebrates the good, right? Like, that's hard to be vulnerable with someone. Not not just because you love brisket? You know, that kind of voice is like, I know that voice. And so naturally, I started doing it for others. And I've always been a dreamer. I'm going to see what happens. She talked about the importance of a clapper in an unexpected place. Because if I do feel like I'm enough, that means I'm living in an abundance mindset. And I think that you're right, it's that there is an underlying belief that if I give away too much of this, there's not enough left for me. I've just thought I think my biggest scarcity mentality happens with myself the way I see myself and so if I can love imperfect me if I can see what's good inside myself, I think that will shift the ability to be able to see it more clearly and be more comfortable pouring it out and giving it to others. But the fact that they can come to a place hopefully in seminary, that's the reason why I feel like I need to teach seminary not because I want a job. Speak kinder and be more uplifting to yourself. So he's just been dissing on him, like moments before they've met. Yes. Like it changed my whole trajectory God sees my heart, and not necessarily my behavior. And they certainly don't hear it from themselves. You know this because you live with teenagers that encouraging voice is not what they're hearing right? It's like true you know? I think you should. Because if I lose my life, that means it's gone. And I'm just like, yeah, where did this come from? Like smoking? 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